from the night shift or go to the nightshift. The visitors were art lovers, who wanted
to have a different experience within an exhibition space. Nevertheless, I believe that
the importance of the Istanbul Biennial for the young, culturally interested Turks,
the upcoming designers, artists and other future experts of art is still high.
Therefore, it is good to see that the largest number of visitors that is taking guided
tours is from high schools and universities. Also, the many young assistants and
guides are showing that due to the Istanbul Biennial a lot of young people get in
direct contact with international contemporary art and artists.
T. MEL‹H GÖRGÜN: There is a reason why the applications for the
“Nightcomers” was limited to artists and art students, and it is because there was a
problem of communication. As I have mentioned earlier, biennials have a problem in
connecting to the local, communicating with it. They only communicate and interact
with people and structures from their own territory and sector. And I honestly
believe that this issue is not being pushed hard enough to be overcome.
MARCUS GRAF: That is actually a systematic problem. Art became a social
system in the 18th century and since then, it became more and more an autonomous
system until today we can say that contemporary art is a specialist field like
mathematics, physics or philosophy. Therefore, of course, we are facing the
fundamental problem of connecting a system that requires a certain amount of
insight to other social systems. Here, the solution of the problem lays to a high
amount in the school/education system of society itself. If you do not start early to
get young children interested in art and culture, you cannot blame teenager or
young adults for not being interested in art and culture. After a certain age, it is
nearly impossible to shift somebody’s interest to the arts.
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bienal çacurrency1r›da bulunducurrency1unda, yaln›z sanatç›lar yan›t veriyor. ‹kinci proje;
haftasonlar› saat dörde kadar aç›k olan Rüya Evi projesiydi. Oraya kim gider?
Kesinlikle gece nöbetinden gelen veya gece nöbetine giden kifliler decurrency1il. Ziyaretçiler,
bir sergi mekan›n›n içinde farkl› bir deneyim yaflamak isteyen sanat severlerdi.
Bununla birlikte, ‹stanbul Bienali’nin öneminin, genç, kültüre ilgili Türkler, gelececurrency1in
tasar›mc›lar›, sanatç›lar› ve dicurrency1er müstakbel sanat uzmanlar› için hala yüksek
olducurrency1una inan›yorum. Dolay›s›yla, rehberli tur alan en büyük say›daki ziyaretçi
gruplar›n›n liselilerden ve üniversitelilerden olufltucurrency1unu görmek güzel. Ayn›
zamanda çok say›daki genç asistan ve rehber de, ‹stanbul Bienali sayesinde birçok
genç insan›n uluslararas› çacurrency1dafl sanat ve sanatç›lar›yla docurrency1rudan temasa geçticurrency1ini
gösteriyor .
T. MEL‹H GÖRGÜN: “Gecegezenler” için baflvurular›n sanatç› ve sanat
öcurrency1rencileriyle s›n›rl› kalmas›n›n bir sebebi var, çünkü iletiflim problemi var.
Bienallerin, daha önce de vurgulad›currency1›m gibi yerelle bacurrency1lant› kurma, iletiflime geçme
problemi var. Sadece kendi alan›ndaki, sektöründeki kifliler ve yap›larla iletiflime
geçiyor. Aç›kças› bunu aflmak için bu konunun üzerine gidildicurrency1ini de düflünmüyorum.
MARCUS GRAF: Bu asl›nda sistematik bir problem. Sanat, 18. yüzy›lda sosyal bir
sistem haline geldi ve ondan bugüne kadar sürekli daha da özerkleflti, diyebiliriz ki;
çacurrency1dafl sanat bir uzmanl›k alan›, t›pk› matematik, fizik veya felsefe gibi. Dolay›s›yla,
baflka sosyal sistemlerin de belli miktarda kavray›fl›n› gerektiren bir sistemi
bacurrency1lamak gibi temel bir sorunla karfl› karfl›ya kal›yoruz. Burada sorunun çözümü,
büyük oranda, toplumun kendisinin okul/ ecurrency1itim sistemine dayan›yor. Ecurrency1er küçük
çocuklar› sanat ve kültüre ilgili hale getirmek için erken yafllar›nda ifle
bafllamazsan›z, gençleri veya genç yetiflkinleri sanat ve kültüre ilgisizliklerinden
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