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to approach them about everything, but only with the issues that make a difference.” Steve Batson said: “We have 10 minutes of the discussion left, if anybody wants to raise any particular points?”
HRB Procedures Regulations Trevor Rogers said: “In terms of the HRB Procedures Regulations, there are two categories of works: Category A and Category B, so that might be the actual process by which you decide which route to take. For Category B you don’t need quite so much information for the Building Safety Regulator as for Category A works. The distinction is defined in the regulations.” Phil Morrison said: “Again, anecdotally – with
everybody still trying to identify what is covered, one of the contributors to our last seminar told us about a discussion they had with the Building Safety Regulator because on one project they were installing a garden on top of the building, and you wouldn’t normally think that’s an extra layer or level, because it’s not enclosed. However, because it had patient stations, to plug medical gases in, it became much more of a storey. Up until the final part of the dialogue with the Regulator, it was quite close to being considered as an extra storey, because of the level of detail, even though it wasn’t enclosed. So I think there’s still a lot of learning on both sides.” Trevor Rogers said: “We’re working with the Building
Safety Regulator, because where you have two building control authorities essentially having differences of opinion, you can get into sticky situations.” He added: “If the local authority has different interpretations to the Building Safety Regulator, the NHS body may not know which control authority to go to. So,
The NHS and others who fund these buildings are not necessarily that flexible in how long they can stretch the funding over
yes, it’s about working with the Regulator. Interpretation is a lot of it.” Steve Batson said: “In terms of the RAAC and asbestos issues across the NHS, I understand there have been surveys going on – and I know some of you have been reporting back on them.” Andy Buckley said: “Yes, it’s about the Trusts
understanding whether or not they have RAAC. In some instances we’ve revisited Trusts, because they’ve had surveys by inexperienced or incompetent firms, who’ve said they haven’t got it, but when we’ve gone in, they have. It’s then about recording the extent of the RAAC, and what’s been done over time, i.e. the sort of penetrations through the services extensions, and refurbishments etc. What we’ve learnt is that people with no experience of RAAC may say: ‘You’ve got RAAC, it’s dangerous: everybody out.’ In a healthcare setting you can’t do that, so we’ve devised RAAC management strategies to help Trusts, working with them on operating and living with RAAC, with a view to removing it over time. It’s about managing risk.” Steve Batson said: “Also, in terms of the PFCs within
existing estates, has that become like the asbestos, in terms of them understanding where they’ve got PFC?” Andy Buckley said: “Yes, the Trusts are now taking on board digitising their assets, and then evidencing what they have via pictures and records, which can be used in GIS systems. If, for example, you have someone working on a roof, they can see if that roof has RAAC, and what
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