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What did you do next? I came back home to NC and started my fam- ily. I worked a traditional job by day and played in bands by night. Over the years I have been a member of well over 50 bands.


Am I remembering correctly? Did you cut a record with the HDA Blues Band? Yes, we recorded two records in Burlington NC; it was a great band and a fun experiment.


What was the biggest show you played with the Outlaws? My biggest Outlaws show was at Oakland Sta- dium; the bill was Santana, Outlaws, Skynyrd and Peter Frampton. I loved meeting Carlos Santana and I think every guitar maker in California was backstage with all their guitars that day looking for endorsements.


You played bass in the band, right? Did you do vocals as well? Yes, I sang background vocals on every album and had an original or two of my own that I sang lead on. I assumed lead vocals on “Free- born Man” once Henry left the band.


Did you write any songs for the Out- laws? Symczyk really liked my tunes, and included my originals “Cold and Lonesome” and “So Afraid” on the Hurry Sundown album. I also wrote “You Can Have It” which appeared on Playin’ to Win.


When did you leave the Outlaws, why did you quit? I left the Outlaws in 1980 when the fun times had ended, on a personal and musical level.


Anaheim ‘78, opening for the Stones.


How did you hook up with the Music Makers Relief Foundation to record The Outlaw. I loved that record. My partner Cheryl was a MMRF donor, so I approached them and they started using me to back up John Dee Holeman, a legendary Piedmont Blues musician. I now enjoy travel- ing the country with the Music Maker Blues Review as a bassist, vocalist and guitarist. I both support and headline many shows. The Outlawwas an absolutely great experience,


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Tell me about music you did between then and now? I have continued to play with my best friends from the Heather days, my Wilmington band now known as the Polar Bear Band. I started playing slide guitar in the late 1990s and now split my time between guitar and bass.


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