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GenerationY DATE Dec 10 09:20
THE BLAME ME3 GAME With the latest news of United withdrawing from Dubai and blaming ME3, I can’t help but feel sick and tired of such childish behaviour from these major carriers. Didn’t all of the US complainers also receive subsidies from the government, if not now, then way back in their history? If ME3 managed to “steal” passengers from EU and US carriers, why not step up your game instead of just crying like babies? Perhaps if those US and EU complainers focus on improving their products rather than complaining, they could perform better. BA and KLM are living proof.
TimFitzgeraldTC Dec 10 10:30
Totally agree, the US/EU carriers in question sound like a broken record and put too much energy into worrying about their competitors rather than getting their own house in order. Whilst there may or may not be explicit subsidies/guarantees, the US carriers have benefited from Chapter 11 in recent years (a massive competitive advantage over non-US carriers) and European carriers have benefited from restriction of traffic rights to other airlines, so they have little right to be angry or upset that new airlines have taken advantage of their geographical location and delivered arguably massively superior products/service.
AMcWhirter Dec 10 10:49
Some 30 years ago, the US carriers were feared on the world stage. Unlike their rivals in, say, Europe, Middle East and Asia, they had two priceless advantages: their mammoth US hubs and their strong FFPs. The FFP advantages no longer apply to the same extent but they still retain their formidable hubs. Why weren’t they able to better capitalise on them?
Jefferydavison December 10 16:05
The EU/US carriers have had a free run for so many years that they seem to perceive their products as being superior to all other carriers. Why are the ME3 carriers doing so well? Perhaps they have taken notice of what the travelling public really wants and not been so preoccupied with there own self image. So come on EU/US carriers, get your marketing people to see what passengers really want and model the service on their needs.
rferguson December 11 22:39
I don’t think it is a level playing field. Saying that – the “legacy carriers” have had their day of subsidies, fixed fares, regulated routes and government assistance in the past. What the ME3 carriers have are extremely pro-aviation friendly governments, which build the airlines and airports as an industry. Could anyone
18 JANUARY/FEBRUARY 2016
really imagine Dubai without EK? Would Dubai ever have gotten to where it is now without EK? The two – EK and Dubai – are intertwined. The government knows this and so makes sure EK is successful. There are many, many advantages to being based in the Middle East hub airports that operate 24/7, allowing you to utilise your resources around the clock. A geographical advantage in terms of transfer traffic; no unions to contend with; a “one foot wrong and you are sent home” employment ethos; no pension deficits; no long-term sickness issues of staff (you are simply sent home); no local residents playing political ping pong with noise or other environmental issues. You want another runway – we’ll build it! This is the kind of operating environment Western carriers can only DREAM of.
POST Charles-P DATE Dec 9 10:08
SNEAKING INTO BUSINESS – DO YOU MIND? Last month I was one of only two people in business class. About ten minutes after take-off, a man came through the curtain from economy and joined us. I wasn’t really paying attention, but the other passenger in business was very annoyed and summoned a crew member who sent him back to economy. What surprised me was the level of outrage felt by this man. He kept trying to engage me in a conversation about how “disgusting” this was. I think we have all seen people “trying their luck” by sliding into business or first and hoping the crew won’t notice; I don’t care that much but I wonder how others feel?
seasonedtraveller December 9 10:15
Icenspice December 9 10:27
Personally, I couldn’t care less unless it impacts directly on me or a fellow passenger or poses a security risk. I would suggest that there are far greater issues to concern us all at this time.
Same here. I couldn’t care less. I was one of two passengers in WT+ on a flight to Chicago and a man decided to join us from economy. He was given his marching orders immediately by cabin crew. What puzzles me is where do these people get the nerve?
GivingupBA December 12 17:45
I would be very annoyed if I saw someone sneak into business class when I was there. But (illogically?) I would not report someone for doing it – for me that’s a step too far. I myself would no more sneak into business class than I would sneak into a hotel and sleep there without paying, or sneak a bar of chocolate into my pocket without paying: it’s all theft, pure and simple.
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