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D02 Petroleum Products, Liquid Fuels, and Lubricants Meeting Title: Petroleum Products, Liquid Fuels, and Lubricants Dates: Sunday December 08, 2024 - Thursday December 12, 2024 Location: Anaheim Marriott, 700 W Convention Way, Anaheim, California Event Name: D02 December 2024 Committee Week


D19 Water Meeting Title: Water Dates: Monday December 09, 2024 - Wednesday December 11, 2024 Location: Anaheim Marriott, 700 W Convention Way, Anaheim, California Event Name: D02 December 2024 Committee Week


D03 Gaseous Fuels Meeting Title: Gaseous Fuels Dates: Tuesday December 10, 2024 - Wednesday December 11, 2024 Location: Anaheim Marriott, 700 W Convention Way, Anaheim, California Event Name: D02 December 2024 Committee Week


G02 Wear and Erosion Meeting Title: Wear and Erosion Dates: Wednesday December 11, 2024 - Thursday December 12, 2024 Location: Anaheim Marriott, 700 W Convention Way, Anaheim, California Event Name: D02 December 2024 Committee Week


E48 Bioenergy and Industrial Chemicals from Biomass Meeting Title: Bioenergy and Industrial Chemicals from Biomass Dates: Wednesday December 11, 2024 Location: Anaheim Marriott, 700 W Convention Way, Anaheim, California Event Name: D02 December 2024 Committee Week


G02 Wear and Erosion Symposium & Workshop Title: Update and Revision of ASTM G65 for New Abrasive Seminar Dates: Thursday December 12, 2024 Location: Anaheim Marriott, 700 W Convention Way, Anaheim, California Event Name: D02 December 2024 Committee Week


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ALTERNATIVE FUELS TAKE OFF


JP Ervin (00:14): This is ASTM International Standards Impact. I’m JP Ervin, and on this episode, I’ll be looking into new innovations in the fuels that are used to power, automobiles, aircraft, and other vehicles. I’ll be talking to experts about biofuels, unleaded, aviation, gas, and other exciting things, helping increase the sustainability and safety of fuels. First, I’m chatting with David Walsh, editor-in-Chief of ASTM Standardization News. Dave, I’ve got to confess this topic is exciting to me, not just for the sustainability and other angles, but also because I’m someone who’s always been fascinated by aircraft.bI grew up on eighties and nineties movies, so I was always drawn to Top Gun, Independence Day, Air Force One, things like that. And so I, I wanted to ask you, did Top Gun have as much of an impact on you as it did on me?


Dave Walsh (01:00): Oh, yeah. Top Gun in particular was enormous in my childhood. Like most people who grew up in the eighties, watching Maverick go inverted with a Russian MIG was as exciting as it got when I was 12 or 13 years old. But as we were talking about, I don’t think I ever thought very much about the fuels that powered those F-16s, and that powered the Air Force in those days. It really didn’t dawn on me as a kid. And now when you delve into the topic, and especially with the experts today, you learn that there’s so much more involved in it, and there’s a lot more that goes into the idea of sustainability as you described. And in those days, they probably just ran the jets on as much fuel as they could pump into it. But now there are a lot of different concerns in the world, so this should be an interesting podcast.


JP Ervin (01:42): Yeah, it’s interesting. I think fuel is one of those topics that, like a lot of ASTM standards, is hovering in the background, but people maybe don’t know all the things that go into keeping their planes in the air and


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automobiles trucking along. It’s something I think we notice the most when the price goes up at the gas pump. But I won’t get us started on that.


Dave Walsh (02:02): <laugh>. Well, that’s definitely a concern for most people. But equally concerning in this day and age is, is the idea of sustainability. And back in the eighties, the first Top Gun people didn’t really think about that issue very much. Today they look into all different types of alternative fuels, and as our guests will describe, there are many different types of biofuels you can use to lower carbon footprint and really make things more sustainable in that sense.


JP Ervin (02:26): Yeah. So on this episode, I’ll be speaking to Melanie Thom, an expert on aviation fuel, or avgas as it’s sometimes called. But first I’ll be talking to alternative and clean fuel specialist, Scott Fenwick, the technical Director for Clean Fuels Alliance America, and Mark Rumizen, director of Regulatory Affairs and Quality and Aviation at Air Company. Mark and Scott, thanks so much for being here. I wanted to start by just talking broadly about the question of renewable and alternative fuels. This episode is about fuels and innovation in fuels, so I wanted to dig into some of the elements of what’s happening in the industry in terms of innovation, areas that people are talking about, and so on. So can you start by just giving an overview of some of these developments?


Mark Rumizen (03:10):


Hi, Mark Rumizen. I’m the chairman of the, uh, a CM Aviation Fuel Subcommittee. And for that reason, my perspective and my focus is going to be on aviation fuels, which are unique because you have to deal with the regulatory aspect that drives the safety of those fuels. And historically, aviation fuels have had an outstanding safety record, as we’re all aware. You see airliners, how quick they turn around at airports, how fast they fill


up with fuel. Nobody’s concerned with the fuel at all. It has an amazing safety record. And to a large degree, that’s due to the work that’s done by the aviation fuel community at ASTM and the processes that ASTM has and the control that’s realized through the use of fuel specifications that ASTM develops. And because of that, we leveraged the ASTM processing community to develop synthetic fuels, or what you’re calling alternative fuels, for aviation to ensure we continue that outstanding safety record. And alternative fuels include renewable fuels as well as non-renewable or non-sustainable fuels.


Scott Fenwick (04:20): It’s really interesting, JP, that you asked that question because most of, of the world really doesn’t think about the fuel that they use. As Mark mentioned, as a soccer mom or soccer dad, you pull your vehicle up to a fueling station (everybody calls it a gas station) and you swipe a credit card, you grab a nozzle of a pump, you stick it in a little hole in that vehicle, and you squeeze that handle and nobody sees the fuel. As Mark said, it’s ASTM’s role, specifically committee D02 that covers petroleum products, liquid fuels and lubricants, to develop those standards. Whether those are fuel specifications or test methods or practices, guides…all sorts of different types of standards that ASTM develops. It’s up to the industry that participates there to develop those standards to ensure the safety and performance of all these fuels. (05:20): Now, obviously, we’re all used to petroleum fuels. We’ve been operating on those for, for well over a hundred years around the world. And ASTM has a whole suite of standards to cover those. But alternative fuels and renewable fuels are relatively new. My day job is technical director for an organization, Clean Fuels Alliance America. We’re a domestic trade association here in the US representing biodiesel, renewable diesel, and even sustainable aviation fuels that mark covers. We’re advocating for those. We’re helping to develop that data, that research to bring to ASTM


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