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what I heard Tobias say, which was “I have a King too”…that would make a difference to me, since Roland mucked directly after that. That would mean Tobias misrepresented his hand - which would allow for a retrieval of Roland’s hand - which had been erroneously exposed by the dealer. Tobias, to me, was clearly angle shooting in an effort to win the hand by not exposing his hand after Roland showed him a King earlier. Both players did wrong, but at the end of the day I would award the pot to Roland, who had the better hand.
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Who’d be a tournament director? This is a very tough one and there are arguments either way.
Both cards must be shown to claim a pot at show down. Even though the king Roland exposed before mucking would have been enough to win the
show it. Indeed it is the practice in many card rooms for a dealer who is asked to expose a hand that has been pushed forward face down to touch the muck with the cards to kill the hand before revealing it. The dealer acted correctly to enforce the rule
that the cards should be shown, and given how close the muck was to the players, he needed to be pretty quick and fairly forceful to make sure he got the cards before they disappeared. So we have a lot of sympathy for Thomas’ view that the hand is dead. However, we have studied the video and what is striking is that Roland did not muck his hand straight away. He showed what he assumed was the key card and there was an exchange lasting several seconds before he mucked. Does it matter what was said? Matt Savage certainly thinks so. He makes the interesting point that if Tobias asked Roland to turn over the other card then he was in effect sanctioning the showing of Roland’s hand to complete the show down. We are not sure though, either exactly what was said or whether this is as clear cut a point as it seems. Tobias is entitled to wait for Roland to reveal
r‘‘ They went into the muck but the dealer
pot regardless of his kicker there is no doubt that he elected to muck his hand rather than show it. Showing one card is not tabling your hand. For some of our TDs that is the end of the
story. Dave Simpson says ‘
...the hand is dead and therefore irretrievable...’ Dead it may be (that is what we are discussing), irretrievable it patently is not. We are not fans of the rule that all hands must be turned over at show down. It is a rule that places dealers into unnecessary conflict with players who want to exercise what should normally be their right: To muck a hand that no player has asked to see. But, that rule does exist, and you might ask if it
is not there to ensure that the best hand wins despite what players may wish, then what is it there for? The answer, according to many is that it is there to prevent collusion, soft play or chip passing and it is not necessary to make a mucked hand live when you
both cards before showing his hand so by pointing that out, was he really asking Roland to show the other card or simply to complete whatever action he was going to make? When the world’s best tournament directors
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study the same piece of footage and come to different conclusions there is no question that we are in a grey area and it is in these kind of circumstances that sometimes the letter of the law should be overridden for the good of the game. Roland was perhaps a little naive; Tobias was
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etrieved them and turned them both over.
There is no doubt that the two cards were Roland’s. Tobais jumped up and turned over Queen high (Q-6) claiming that Roland had mucked and the pot was his.
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