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“What we want to


push for — the prag- matic individuals within the Chaldean/Assyrian community — is to cre- ate a safe haven; a new province in Iraq where it houses a lot of these minorities — Chaldeans, Assyrians, Yazidis, and what have you. The west- ern-developed countries like France, Germany, United States, and Eng- land [could] carve out a piece of land, like the Plains of Nineveh, which is mostly modern-day Mosul, and train a force there made up of these people and to say this is a new province that has our blessing. That would pay dividends to both sides. It just seems like there isn’t a return on investments for the western coun- tries to do that. I think it’s more about getting a cheap workforce like what


Al Sanati


is going on in Germany. There is actually talk right now in Syria about cre- ating a federation within Syria for the refugees, so it’s obviously possible.” However, Kalasho is


unsure if Chaldeans are up for the challenge. “Chaldeans aren’t


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really fighters, espe- cially the ones in Iraq. Their whole lives revolve around going to church. It’s like having an army of Jains. You can only pro- test so many times. You can only go to the United Nations and cry wolf so many times. The Kurds have a female army. You can’t even get a male army on the Christian side. The teaching is so passive. If someone slaps you, give them the other cheek, love your neighbor. If you look in the Koran, that is just not in their book. How do [Chaldeans] fight them when they want to die? [Chaldeans] could have a gun and [Muslims] will have a spoon and they will still fight you. That is a problem. That is the thing that no one wants to talk about.” Before wrapping up


our interview, Kalasho points out that being Chaldean is not an eth- nicity, it is a rite in the Catholic Church. “There is no dif-


ference between Assyr- ian people and Chal- dean people. The divide between the Chaldeans and Assyrians started 400 or 500 years ago, when the churches split. One went with the Vatican and one became an Eastern church. That is a problem, because we are so divided. Had these people been united I think they would have been a force in Iraq and would’ve stopped a lot of the problems going on right now. The Chal- deans don’t want to join the Syrian army and the Syrians don’t want to join the Chaldean army. Divide and conquer is the magic formula. The other side just looks and laughs because you don’t have that on the Kurdish side. If you’re Kurdish you are Kurdish even though there are different kinds of Kurds.” Al Sanati, a refugee


who fled Iraq in the ’70s, has a few opinions that differ from those of Ben Kalasho. Sanati spent a large portion of his life assisting not only Chal- deans, but Cubans, Soma- lis, and Russians, among


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