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« i l l mm i n Many more letters


MANY letters have again been received about the controversial articles written by Elaine,


and avc regret that space does not permit-us to publish all of them. All sorts of people have enquired at the office


or from members of the staff, if they can meet Elaine to talk to her about her views— some possibly in the hope of converting her to their own viewpoint— and others possibly out of curiosity. Elaine’ s articles will still continue to be


published in the “ Advertiser and Times,” but publicity will also lie given to her critics or


supporters. - Meggy ,


Miracles from faith


After reading Elaine’s first article I felt that she made sweeping generalisations. In this second article she takes the same course. I do believe in miracles and


in miracles that I have seen and heard about. . . miracles which could not have been performed by “ little acts of common sense.”


Do I believe in the Old Testa­ by Elaine, “ The Girl in the Shadows.” Whether people agree wi i


these articles or not, they feel bound to read what is, after all, bringing a challenge to something they have probably accepted since childhood. This week Elaine tackles a problem which lias appeared time and tnuc


again wherever Christian doctrines arc discussed, the question of Chris s divinitv.


Many people may not care to examine their consciences in n . . ,i


particular issue, but Elaine lias the eourage to do so and to say what she thinks on the subject. You may not agree with what she says, of course, Hi if she lias got you thinking at least something very useful has lieci


A ch ie v e d • As pointed out last week, the views of Elaine, a 20-ycar-old Clitheroe


girl, whose identity is being kept secret in fairness to her family, an. m view of her job, are not necessarily those of the Editor or his staff. Elaine has a right to he heard, for her voice is the voice oi youtli,


challenging the conventional and seeking the truth whether it satis ics or hurls. Her doubts might well he yours.


The man they called divine


DID God walk on this earth i two centuries back, or


was it all a big mistake? Was Christ actually God in. human form? To anyone who is wavering in the Christian faith, this is the hardest fact to accept, and one that thereby puts many people off the religion.


It is easy to believe in the fact that Jesus existed, we have historical proof of this. We


know that a religious leader caused .a, greal movement at


that time,' his ’ name/- was Jesus, he claimed to be the promised Christ, and be was crucified for his views.


I believe in Jesus, but not only in the sense that I believe he existed. I agree that he was probably a good man, but it is impossible for me to believe that he was a tall majestic figure, Hashing miracles of curing and causing fig trees to wither at a word: that is to say I find it difficult to accept that he was the son of God, or God in human form.


If this was so, our whole religion it seoms to me, would be founded on something that was a fraud, and nothing to marvol at at all. For the Christian religion to be any marvel at all, Christ MUST NOT have been


the son of God!


It is baffling to me for believers to marvel at, for example, Jesus over-riding the temptations of the devil, or sin, or whatever you want to call it, if he was in reality the son of God, thus perfect goodness, thus unable to think evil anyway. In a divine mind the thoughts of evil would never be able to make an entry, so what is so wonderful in the fact that Jesus did this?


be willing to be classed witli the “ ignorants'' of those days who grasped at the superstition and wholeheartedly accepted


it.


Joseph certainly is praise­ worthy for trying to keop in hand a child who thought ho was the son of God. What would you do if your Tommy began to say this?


Imagine being a child growing up in tlie same village or Jesus ir he was as infinitely good ns the Bible would have us believe. I f lie was so good you would have lynched him before he had a chance to display his pure nature in adult company.


What fantasy is woven round his childhood anyway!


“And throughout his wondrous childhood.


He would honour and obey.” Mrs. Alexander tells us. What could be farther from the


We know next to nothing of the the “Wondrous Childhood." and in what we do know there arc not. so many examples of the “mild obedient good" child


truth?


We have a hook called the Apocrypha, which gives ns some dastardly examples of tlie sweet little child’s be­ haviour, and there are stories of him using his miraculous power to pull planks to the right length in the carpenter’s shop, and other things.


So. all right, you will not accept the bad tilings they say about him. well if all those legends have no truth in them, how can vou be sure that the nice things they say about him are true? Of course we find the answer in lire itself, people always like to remember the nice" things that arc said about themselves, the nasty


But, and a very big but. think of it the other way. Think that if Jesus was-an ordinary human being like ourselves, with nothing of the divine force that can think and do no evil, and this man was sticking up for a cause he believed in— that is the cause of lo v e - something unheard of and ridiculous in days when men were more used to fighting than loving each other, then there would be something to marvel at. An ordinary man fighting against the image of a God whose chief claim was “Vengeance is mine, I will repay,” is something worth­ while building a religion up


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Christ masquerading as God seems a cheat, but a men with only human abilities like our own, is a perennial source of


strength.


Sentimentalists like to say that it is reassuring to think of Christ and trust him in times of war and sorrow. Very well, but had he not come they would still be trusting in God in bed times, for the human being is essentially a weak being that has to trust in some­ thing bigger and better than


Of course we can sec that at Christ’s time, things in the Jewish faith had been built up to such an extent by prophe-


itself.


- sies and the like, that it is obvious that had not Jesus


claimed to be the Messiah, then some other misguided indivi­ dual would. Why do we scorn the roman emperors for setting themselves ud as divine, when hero was a Gallilean doing the


How would you like to meet someone who claimed to the son of God? It was mostly the


■ intelligent in his day and generation who did not believe to him. and itt was; therefore the peasants who did all the believing. Of course the intel­ ligent Jews claimed they saw through him. and the average person today will surely not


same thing? its BEFORE Elaine discards the Bible as a book of myths I


would suggest she does as I have done, prove its lrath from archeology and history. Tlie book by Georges Monterain. “ Assyria, and Babylon,” and “ Layard of Nineveh” by Sir Arthur Layard. and Sir L. Woolcys, "Account of Ur and the Chaldean.” These show that people were


far from ignorant in those days. As Elaine will find from the Bible, Abraham came from Ur, a highly prosperous city even by todays standards. Moses we find adopted by the


Pharoe's daughter, and brought up hi all the wisdom of the Egyptians ns a prince and heir, but he discarded all this to follow the life of a shepherd. At this time he was given a


another 200 laws in addition to basic ten laws, with perhaps make this wandering tribe an example to the whole world. From time to time prophets


’ have arisen from history and we can prove their fulfilment.


I myself have nine sons rang­


ing from 4 years to 16 yoars and would oortainly not like to fore­ tell thoir future in so many details.


If you have any doubts about


the Bible, and cure to call at my home, I will willingly show you these truths, for I myself once had many doubls. The Bible Is truth, and many


scientific facts have been fotmd in trying to prove it wrong. For instance man's body is


found to be made tip of water and minerals from the earth. The atmosphere is only found on earth suitable for man. and only since the cosmics has man proved that above the atmosphere there is “ darkness on the face of the earth " as stated in Genesis. CATHERINE MARTIN


6 Calder Avenue, Blllington.


I of the carol.


things get pushed into a book, like the Apocrypha, and left there in the hope that they will finally be forgotten.


Thus many people keep on reject­ ing the nasty things about him, but one day somebody will demand an answer!


Leaving that, look at what you accept about him in your own bible. At the age of 12, Jesus slipped away from his parents, knowing he would cause them undue worry, just to go and talk to doctors in the Temple. After three days’ distraught searching, the parents chal­ lenged him as to why ho korj , done tills, and the reply wasr that ho was about his father’s! business. He did not necessarily imply God by his father, but our bible gets out of this by the crnftv use of tlie capital


letter in “ Father."


No. Jesus was never tlie un­ assuming little boy the bible would have us ncccpt. Have you ever respected anyone so much that you skip over their odd little bad points, like for example the disciples might


The world appears as corrupt today as it was two thousand years ago. There arc still thieves, there arc still adul­ terers, there are still greedy, selfish, mean, sinful people. The only change is that in­ stead of using a dagger to kill we can now use a gun, instead of the punishment for any known adulterers being stoning, now people just point to them in the street and whis­ per, and sex becomes more and more promiscuous.


have done?


I f God had walked on this earth, would the world be like this? Had perfect goodness reigned on this soil, why are you read- thls, and doubting?


Important figures


I WONDER if Elaine noticed the four figures in tiny


print above the heading "The Girl in tlie Shadows.” I mean the figures 1964, which probably hang on the wall of every house in the country. Chrlstain or non- Christian. I f she will stop for one moment to consider what these really stand for, remembering that, that number of years is not really such a very long time— indeed less than thirty times as long as a man's lifetime—I am sure she will realise that here is something which “ is there to bo proved that it is there, a definite fact of history. If I had lived B.C. my beliefs


and doubts would be much the same ns Elaine’s, but I live A.u. and that makes all the difference. This 20th century girl can I1V


to Rome tomorrow and see the actual place where lst-century


Romans used- to amuse them­ selves w a t c h in g Christians


thrown to the lions because they wouldn't renounce their faith. “ Cowards,” did she say? “ Afraid to die,” did she say?


f a rm e r


Never read such tripe


SEE there was another article in the "Advertiser and


Times” bv Elalnp. If that's all that can bo put


in the paper I think it ought to bo shut down; I have never


read such tripe in my life. I f I was her mother I should


be ashamed of her, to have let her grow up with suoh a mmfl- Her name might well be kept


out of it, and she might well be printed black.


MARY MURPHY,


50 Chat burn Road, Clitheroe.


ment? Most certainly. I know that the majority of


Old Testament scholars would agree that the story of Adam and Eve are symbolic and that human language to describe God's creation is inadequate. . . but this is not myth or legend or history. . . it is theology “ GOD CREATED." BUT when we get to the account of Moses we are dealing with history as well as with theology. . . It is true we may not find a detailed account of the life of Moses in secular historical works. . . but historical writings do not record every single individual, and consider­ ing that the Israelites at this time were a small unimportant race compared to the great nations of the then known world, it is not surprising that Moses is not a great secular historical figure. The Exodus from Egypt would not be headline news in file Egyptian “ dallies.” From a secular historical point of view the event was unimportant. . . BUT to the Israelite race MOSES was tlie great figure who led them from slavery. . . and as some scholar lias said “ We would have to invent a MOSES to ex­ plain the development of the Israelite race In this period of history."


I don't suppose Elaine will be


remembered as a national hero in the historical books of the future, but if somoono writes a work on the interesting articles which appoarod in tho “ Clith- eroc Advertiser and Times" for the years 1960-1010 she may be mentioned.


This is a. weak comparison but


it docs show that just because there is no mention of Elaine in historical records we cannot just


.assume that she is a figment of the Editor’s imagination . . . or that she never existed at all. Before Elaine starts making wild claims about the Old Testament she ought to know something ibout it. I f she reads “ BIBLI­ CAL ARCHEOLOGY” by G. Ernest Wright, and “ ARCHEO­ LOGY OF THE OLD TESTA­ MENT" by W. F. Albright, and ■THE HISTORY o f ISRAEL” by John Bright, and then can come back and still say “ that most or all of the Old Testa­ ment. Is symbolic, and Just a wonderful story invented to put over an incident" then I would suggest she won't face tlie facts. For her to go on nnd claim


that the New Testament is just as much a mass of bab.vlike symbolism as the Old . . . makes me laugh. I've never read such rubbish in all my life. It may be true to say that the simple pea­ sants who were involved in the life of Jesus did not have.all the knowledge of modern times but they were not blind. . . or stupid, nnd I am quite sure that both St. Paul and St. Luke were far more intelligent than Elaine gives them credit for. To use symbolic language to explain some great truth does not deny the truth. We say the "sun rises.” It docs nothing of the s o r t . . .it only appears to rise... but we use language to describe how it appears to us. To put some great truth in story form was a wonderful method by Jesus to get through to tho people of his day. The story of the good Samari­


tan may not be true but Jesus was preaching about COMPAS­ SION not the Good Samaritan as an actual living person. BUT not everything in the New Testament


is in parable form. Elaine's explanation of the


II Feeding of the Five Thousand is not new. This explanation has been given so many times before, but Elaine’s explanation Is Just as much an interpretation as is the disciples,' but at least the disci­ ples were on the spot. Whatever explanation is used I wish by some “ little acts of common sense ” the 'hungry people of this world could be fed. THAT WOULD BE A 'MIRACLE, be­ cause It would be beyond my


wildest dreams. I do agree with Elaine that in


the Bible a number of eternal truths are presented in symbolic form but to suggest that all the Bible is symbolic shows a pro­ found ignorance of its contents. The life, ministry, death, resur­ rection and ascension of Jesus, and the life and ministry of St. Paul fills the New Testament pages.' Let Elaino come to grips with this instead of making great issues out of two of her own interpretations of two minor


Incidents. On the question of the miracu­


lous I hope Elaine will consider tlie words of Fyodor Dostoevsky 1 his novel 1


n 1 THE BROTHERS


KARAMAZOV ” " It is hot mir­ acles that dispose realists to


belief. The genuine realist, if he is an unbeliever, will always nnfl strength and ability to dis­ believe in the mireoulous, and. if he is confronted with a miracle as an irrefutable fact he would rather disbelieve his own senses than admit the fact: Faith does, not, in the realist, spring from the miracle but the miracle from


faith.". Rev. JOHN ALAN MIMMACK


ChMburn.


Not on myths or miracles


Dear Elaine.—"The Miracles . . . were little acts of common sense which probably you or I could have performed" . . . You nnd I equal to Jesus I "Our God contracted to a span


incomprehensibly made man.


Is this just untrue, a lie invented bv simple Judean peasants? Jesus crucified and risen again, something you or I could have performed! Men like Peter, craven cowards, afraid to stand bv their Lord, changed at His Resurrection to men who turned the world upside down, is this just a fable? These Elaine, are


facts! If God is God. why are you


so surprised that He is active in the world? He does not try to bamboozle us with miracles but because He is loving and mighty. He does what you and I cannot do. Oh. Elaine, a little humility please.


The divinity of Jesus docs not


rest upon miracles of myths, but because He Is God made man," I would expect Him to do things X cannot do. Dont shrink God to y ou v ow n s lz e , •your God is not big enough. There is so much of truth in vour seeking Elaine, try begin­ ning at the beginning and then I think so many of these-prob­ lem* will fall into perspective.


xjjEV. RONALD JOBL1NG.


Through the ages


q^HROUGH the, medium of your paper may I be per­


mitted to T R Y to answer "Elaine." It is very refreshing I think


to find that a young girl is at least stopping to think and trying to sort out in her own mind the facts about Christia­ nity. She is asking questions that


right down through the ages people like her have been asking and no doubt will in future con­ tinue to do so.


Christ said: “Seek and ye


shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you.” Although she doesn't know it this is what this


young girl is doing. Elaine seems to marvel at the


way Christians can believe in the Hereafter. Experience of this kind cannot be handed down from one person to another but only through Faith and in the individual coming face to face with Christ Himself. Then and only then do wo KNOW, not just merely' believe. 1hat this great Power has given us a , Soul, only then can we know true j Heaven, or true Hell for that matter.


with a prong in his hand, nnd two horns only comes into being when one's conscience comes alive and realises that here Hell or Heaven can be ours, not after we die but here and now. on


earth. Elaine mav now well ask, but


where is MY Soul? and the answer most surely is: when and where she herself cares to find it, in the Power of Christ.


MRS. E. WILLACY.


Ask God to help


v FTER reading Elaine's second article, and hearing an


East Lancashire minister des­ cribe it as "ignorant rubbish,” I feel that it is time that a few questions were asked, rather than opinions being voiced:— There are ministers who pro­


claim the gospel from a “ Could it really have happened? Why?" point of view.


Is there move than one " right ”


approach to the Gospels? What is Christianity? What is


a Christian? Who was Christ? What claims did Christ make? How did Christ make his


claims clear to the people? Is Christianity relevant to me?


How? I could probably go on asking


such questions, but they all come back to the third and fourth questions asked


As someone " coming out of the


shadows," may I offer "Elaine" some advice? Find out, from someone who knows, the most important Christian beliefs. Nothing else — at least for a while. It is surprising how iso­ lated Incidents like miracles, suddenly have their place in Christian belief.


Another thing is 10 pray. Ask


God to help in your searchings. He will. I know, answer your prayers.


I hope that I have not been


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